For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will sling out the inhabitants of the land at this once, and will distress them, that they may find it so. Woe is me for my hurt! my wound is grievous: but I said, Truly this is a grief, and I must bear it. My tabernacle is spoiled, and all my cords are broken: my children are gone forth of me, and they are not: there is none to stretch forth my tent any more, and to set up my curtains. For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered. Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah desolate, and a den of dragons. O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. O LORD, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing. Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for they have eaten up Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate.
Friday, December 9, 2011
When We Hurt God (pt1)
Growing up I always saw my dad as invincible. He was as tough as they came. John Wayne was a boy scout compared to my father. Oh, don't get me wrong; my father was anything but Superman. I witnessed my father suffer multiple back injuries. I saw him limping around after 14 hours on his flat feet and then have to walk a mile home after work. I saw him after he was "jumped" at the store where he worked by three angry riff-raff. I saw him, believe it or not, get frostbite on his hand in the middle of the summer. I saw him fall down a flight of concrete stairs while he was terribly sick with pneumonia. I saw my dad almost rupture his Achilles. I saw my dad in a neck brace following a serious neck injury. I saw my dad's arm in a sling due to him blowing his rotator cuff. I have seen my father collapse and bust his head during an athsma attack. I am telling you, I have seen my dad be ANYTHING but invincible. I do have a point to all of this so let me get right to it. The WORST injury I have ever seen my dad have is the one I am responsible for. I was 7 or so. My younger brother and I were running around in the house despite my father's instruction to stop. It was a Sunday Morning. We were getting ready for church. My dad was boiling a large pot of eggs for the Sunday School "party" during their sunday school hour. As my father was attempting to transfer the large pot of boiling water from the stove to the sink, my brother and I ran between he and the sink and under the extremely hot pot of water. Instinctively, my father pulled the pot towards him and all of the hot water escaped the pot and found its landing all over my father's stomach, legs and loins. Instantly, my father was covered with 2nd degree burns and blisters already forming from the seething hot water. I saw my father writhing in pain on the floor as he dropped to his knees and let out the most painful shriek I have ever heard. Looking at my father in so much pain was something I have never been able to forget. It was a pain that I inflicted on him. The deep seeded remorse and attempts at penance seemed insignificant at the moment. I caused my father to have extreme pain.
The Children of Israel caused God pain as well. Sure, it wasnt with a boiling pot of water, but it was a pain that God deemed necessary to proclaim his affliction. I realize that God is a Spirit (John 4:23-24.) However, there is a term used as an example to bridge the pain that a spirit can feel in regards to human or physical pain. It is called "Anthromorphism." For an illustration: "He sat there like a bump on a rock." It is giving Human characteristics or responses to an object or to an inadamant object, in this case, an intangible being- namely God.
Having this thought in mind, let me direct your attention to a passage of Scripture which lays out a brief but detailed diagnosis of God's pain which was inflicted by Israel and also by us today.
Jeremiah 10:18-25
Saturday, September 24, 2011
Right and Wrong in Education
A man's wife is dying of a rare kind of cancer. A local druggist has developed a cure for this type of cancer but demands far more than the man can afford to pay. Later the husband breaks into the store and steals the drug. Should he have done that? (p.20 "Why Johnny Cannot Tell Right From Wrong" William Kilpatrick)
It is an insight that Mr. Kilpatrick made back in 1992 when is book was published. Here is a situation eithic which is based on the supposition that man will choose what is wholesome and "good." Doesn't God's Word tell us the outcome of this man's choice?
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end therof are the ways of death."
There are two views in philosophy in dealing with teaching morality.
1. Character building - to train our children in What IS right. teaching them what is right. Training them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord in the FEAR of God. Moses held this philosophy. Joshua chose this philosophy. Christ used this philosophy. Paul used this philosophy. Peter used this philosophy.
A child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
2. Moral reasoning - This conditions a child to believe that what he would do is ethical and right. There are NO wrong or right answers - This leads us to all kinds of moral decay - as we see every day on the evening news, on the front page of the paper, in our christian education, and in our theology.
It is an insight that Mr. Kilpatrick made back in 1992 when is book was published. Here is a situation eithic which is based on the supposition that man will choose what is wholesome and "good." Doesn't God's Word tell us the outcome of this man's choice?
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end therof are the ways of death."
There are two views in philosophy in dealing with teaching morality.
1. Character building - to train our children in What IS right. teaching them what is right. Training them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord in the FEAR of God. Moses held this philosophy. Joshua chose this philosophy. Christ used this philosophy. Paul used this philosophy. Peter used this philosophy.
A child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
2. Moral reasoning - This conditions a child to believe that what he would do is ethical and right. There are NO wrong or right answers - This leads us to all kinds of moral decay - as we see every day on the evening news, on the front page of the paper, in our christian education, and in our theology.
Friday, August 5, 2011
Aug5
Jesus' zealous endeavor to purge the temple of money changers and insincere worshipers was unpopular to those who profited from the synthetic reverence to God and towards his chosen methods of worship. Today, Jesus would be considered a legalist and an extremist.
Thursday, August 4, 2011
50 Shekels of Silver
2Sam 24:24
And the king said unto Araunah, Nay; but I will surely buy it of thee at a price: neither will I offer burnt offerings unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing. So David bought the threshingfloor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver.
David was desiring to restore fellowship with God after the
sin of numbering the people. He was trying to find out just
how powerful and great he was, neglecting the fact that God
had made him great. He “got too big for his own britches” and
God’s judgment was fiercely punishing King David.
As the destruction of his consequence advanced, David implored
to make peace with God. He went to the threshing floor to
sacrifice to the Lord. It was a good land and he wanted to
build an altar to God and sacrifice to Him a peace offering.
Although Araunah was willing to give David the land for free,
David realized that it had to cost him something for this to be
sincere and meaningful.
Fifty shekels of silver in today's economy is roughly $265.
It wasn’t about paying something that was super expensive.
David learned that if he desired reconciliation with God and
experience His forgiveness, he must sacrifice. What are YOU
willing to sacrifice today for God to effect your life? What are
you willing to part with? What is your “50 shekels of silver?”
Remember, Christ was betrayed for less than that!
And the king said unto Araunah, Nay; but I will surely buy it of thee at a price: neither will I offer burnt offerings unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing. So David bought the threshingfloor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver.
David was desiring to restore fellowship with God after the
sin of numbering the people. He was trying to find out just
how powerful and great he was, neglecting the fact that God
had made him great. He “got too big for his own britches” and
God’s judgment was fiercely punishing King David.
As the destruction of his consequence advanced, David implored
to make peace with God. He went to the threshing floor to
sacrifice to the Lord. It was a good land and he wanted to
build an altar to God and sacrifice to Him a peace offering.
Although Araunah was willing to give David the land for free,
David realized that it had to cost him something for this to be
sincere and meaningful.
Fifty shekels of silver in today's economy is roughly $265.
It wasn’t about paying something that was super expensive.
David learned that if he desired reconciliation with God and
experience His forgiveness, he must sacrifice. What are YOU
willing to sacrifice today for God to effect your life? What are
you willing to part with? What is your “50 shekels of silver?”
Remember, Christ was betrayed for less than that!
Thursday, June 9, 2011
Baptist By Conviction, Christian By Pursuasion,, Saved by the Grace of God.
Many friends have recently brought up the contentious debate of what they are in regards to title, doctrine, and practice. Let me tell you this, I am a Baptist by Conviction, a Christian by pursuasion, but Saved by the grace of God.
First, when I was at the ripe young age of 5 years old, I was convicted of my sin, truly for the first time. The weight of the realization and guilt of my sin against a Holy God was so intense that I could do nothing else but to call upon the name of the Lord. Yes, at age 5 I was fully aware of my need of a Savior. As fully as I understood my offense toward God, and of who and what Christ was and what he came to do, I placed my hope and trust in him alone. I know by the testimony of the Word of God, I was born of God by grace through faith. It is nothing that I have done or did not do. It was all of the working of the Holy Spirit of God through the witness of the Word of God and of the faithfulness of other believers who had an influence in and on my life.
As a believer, I began to read the Word of God and develop a prayer life with the Lord. As I matured in the faith, it began to be very clear that my parents, my pastor, my sunday school teachers, friends, and those around me at church not only believed God but patterned their life after Christ's example. I came to realize just how important it was and is to not only walk with the Lord but also to yield to the continuing work of the Holy Spirit as he fashions me to the fullness of Christ-likeness. I was persuaded by my upbringing to be "Christian."
As I read the scriptures I began to notice the application of what I read was more distinct than that of others. I say this with no condescension intended. I began to study other denominations. Although there was things that I agreed with in other denominations, there was so much that I did not agree with. I began to compare what "my" church had for doctrine. Some of what i grew up believing was not found or even hinted at according to Scripture. Those things I renounced. However, I found that the more I studied God's Word, the more I realized the order in which a Baptist Church operates. I did not become Baptist by upbringing. My mother would often say "i am not a Baptist. I am a Bible believer." My Father now attends a Methodist Church (when he does go to church due to his work schedule.) When I say I am a Baptist, it is not because of how I was raised. It isn't because of where I went to college. It isn't by any other reason but because of my own developed Conviction that the distinctions which associate a believer as a "baptist" are found exclusively in the Word of God.
First, when I was at the ripe young age of 5 years old, I was convicted of my sin, truly for the first time. The weight of the realization and guilt of my sin against a Holy God was so intense that I could do nothing else but to call upon the name of the Lord. Yes, at age 5 I was fully aware of my need of a Savior. As fully as I understood my offense toward God, and of who and what Christ was and what he came to do, I placed my hope and trust in him alone. I know by the testimony of the Word of God, I was born of God by grace through faith. It is nothing that I have done or did not do. It was all of the working of the Holy Spirit of God through the witness of the Word of God and of the faithfulness of other believers who had an influence in and on my life.
As a believer, I began to read the Word of God and develop a prayer life with the Lord. As I matured in the faith, it began to be very clear that my parents, my pastor, my sunday school teachers, friends, and those around me at church not only believed God but patterned their life after Christ's example. I came to realize just how important it was and is to not only walk with the Lord but also to yield to the continuing work of the Holy Spirit as he fashions me to the fullness of Christ-likeness. I was persuaded by my upbringing to be "Christian."
As I read the scriptures I began to notice the application of what I read was more distinct than that of others. I say this with no condescension intended. I began to study other denominations. Although there was things that I agreed with in other denominations, there was so much that I did not agree with. I began to compare what "my" church had for doctrine. Some of what i grew up believing was not found or even hinted at according to Scripture. Those things I renounced. However, I found that the more I studied God's Word, the more I realized the order in which a Baptist Church operates. I did not become Baptist by upbringing. My mother would often say "i am not a Baptist. I am a Bible believer." My Father now attends a Methodist Church (when he does go to church due to his work schedule.) When I say I am a Baptist, it is not because of how I was raised. It isn't because of where I went to college. It isn't by any other reason but because of my own developed Conviction that the distinctions which associate a believer as a "baptist" are found exclusively in the Word of God.
Saturday, April 16, 2011
Wednesday, April 13, 2011
The DNA of Worship
http://cornerstonebaptist-rockhill.com/StreamingAudio/2010/Q2/TimDelelloTheDNAofWorship.htm
I preached this sermon back in April in 2010 at a great church in Rock Hill, SC.
I preached this sermon back in April in 2010 at a great church in Rock Hill, SC.
Saturday, March 19, 2011
The Law of God pt 1
THE LAW OF GOD
EXODUS 20
as we look at these familiar verses of which people have derived the 10 commandments, let us stop to consider the purpose of why the law was given. Many people assume the law was given as a list of requirements of do's and dont's for mankind to live by in attempts for God's forgiveness and favor with God. Perverted doctrine has taught them wrong.
I. Purpose
* The law was to introduce us to Christ - Galatians 4
* The law is to identify us with Christ - law written upon hearts
* The law is to involve our love from Christ to be demonstrated TO man - James 1/ (On these hang all of the law and prophets)
* The law has been interrupted because of Christ (fulfilled the law)
as we look at what the law contains, let us also notice HOW the law was given:
II. precedent
* Divine Authorship (God wrote it)
* Directly Allotted (gave directly to Moses to give to the people)
* Definite Adherence (Deut 6:4-9)
* Determinately Ordered (reason behind everything)
* Distinct punishment for Offenses
III. People To Whom It was given:
* Predestined People
* Peculiar People
* Pardoned People
* Propitious People
EXODUS 20
as we look at these familiar verses of which people have derived the 10 commandments, let us stop to consider the purpose of why the law was given. Many people assume the law was given as a list of requirements of do's and dont's for mankind to live by in attempts for God's forgiveness and favor with God. Perverted doctrine has taught them wrong.
I. Purpose
* The law was to introduce us to Christ - Galatians 4
* The law is to identify us with Christ - law written upon hearts
* The law is to involve our love from Christ to be demonstrated TO man - James 1/ (On these hang all of the law and prophets)
* The law has been interrupted because of Christ (fulfilled the law)
as we look at what the law contains, let us also notice HOW the law was given:
II. precedent
* Divine Authorship (God wrote it)
* Directly Allotted (gave directly to Moses to give to the people)
* Definite Adherence (Deut 6:4-9)
* Determinately Ordered (reason behind everything)
* Distinct punishment for Offenses
III. People To Whom It was given:
* Predestined People
* Peculiar People
* Pardoned People
* Propitious People
Wednesday, March 16, 2011
Consenting unto his death
As we close chapter 7 we see that Saul had been incorporated in with the murder of Stephen. As the angry mob picked up stones to kill the faithful deacon, they laid their coats with Young Saul. There is something to say about large masses of people who are in unison. The whole atmosphere of energy that must have surrounded Saul was incredible. It drove these men to violate their own moral code and religious upbringing under the standard of patriotism. They took the law into their own hands in a vigilante justice which was nothing short of a "kangaroo court." As they hurled the stones which began to break the skin of Stephen and crushing his bones, Saul instinctively cheered the men on who took the life of that innocent man. "FINISH HIM! FINISH HIM" Saul was consenting unto his death. As Stephen knelt down, he cried out for forgiveness for those hurling the fatal blows. As the stones struck this first martyr's head, chest, and defenseless body, Stephen maintained his Christlike testimony. As a shark senses the vulnerability of its prey, Saul was driven by an uncanny desire to persecute people of "this way." It was an act of patriotism which would drive these threats to the country and their way of life from popularity. He began his crusade by gaining permission from the high priest to further that unadulterated hatred for all followers of the treasonous Christ. Upon receiving permission and the full support of the Jewish religion, Saul set out to fulfill his venomous "calling." He was regarded as a minister of justice to rid the nation of these pestilent criminals. As Stephen was not yet buried, Saul began to cause havoc of the grieving church. He broke into homes and carried off mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, and i am sure entire families who were "followers of this way."
Saul's goal was to snuff out this rebellious congregation and cease the preaching, teaching, and living in the name of Christ. No more would the temple be "threatened" and the holy laws of Moses be spoken against. No more would the common criminal Jesus be promoted among men.
As Saul oppressed the followers of Jesus, they just kept spreading their doctrine of this Christ fellow. Saul's ambition was no match for the very work of God which he attempted to silence. The Word of God abounded. Many people believed. This enraged Saul even more. (More to Come later)
Saul's goal was to snuff out this rebellious congregation and cease the preaching, teaching, and living in the name of Christ. No more would the temple be "threatened" and the holy laws of Moses be spoken against. No more would the common criminal Jesus be promoted among men.
As Saul oppressed the followers of Jesus, they just kept spreading their doctrine of this Christ fellow. Saul's ambition was no match for the very work of God which he attempted to silence. The Word of God abounded. Many people believed. This enraged Saul even more. (More to Come later)
Thursday, March 3, 2011
Destruction of An Angry Listener
Scary things happen when I actually study the Bible. I mean, I do it regularly, but when I actually take serious time to study, look what happens? (tongue in cheek)
Look at Acts 7:54-60 and notice the downward spiraling that takes place when one does not reverse their thinking/actions upon hearing the Word of God
1. They were cut to the heart (7:54 -60)
2. Gnashed on him with their teeth
3. Cried out with a loud voice
4. Stopped their ears
5. Ran upon him with one accord
(Acts 19:29, Mark 7:57)
*Note the Spiritual decline
* conviction not dealt with with leads to disdain/disrespect for leadership and or the preacher/message
* disrespect for the message/messenger leads to open rebellion
* open rebellion leads to absolution of ability to listen to reason (point of no return – moral conscience is darkened)
* inability to listen to reason leads to demonic activity (Mark 7:57, Acts 19:29)
too many times that I can remember, my family would "grill the pastor" for lunch rather than talk about how the Sermon was relevant to our life.
Lord, help me to endure the still coming chastisement of the sins of my youth.
Look at Acts 7:54-60 and notice the downward spiraling that takes place when one does not reverse their thinking/actions upon hearing the Word of God
1. They were cut to the heart (7:54 -60)
2. Gnashed on him with their teeth
3. Cried out with a loud voice
4. Stopped their ears
5. Ran upon him with one accord
(Acts 19:29, Mark 7:57)
*Note the Spiritual decline
* conviction not dealt with with leads to disdain/disrespect for leadership and or the preacher/message
* disrespect for the message/messenger leads to open rebellion
* open rebellion leads to absolution of ability to listen to reason (point of no return – moral conscience is darkened)
* inability to listen to reason leads to demonic activity (Mark 7:57, Acts 19:29)
too many times that I can remember, my family would "grill the pastor" for lunch rather than talk about how the Sermon was relevant to our life.
Lord, help me to endure the still coming chastisement of the sins of my youth.
Tuesday, March 1, 2011
3 types of Believers
I believe there are three "types" of believers.
Many believers are those who are just that. Believers. They struggle daily with assurance of their salvation. They don't study the Word. They don't pray. They aren't separated from the world. They show up on Sunday. They might show up 3 times a week. They are Believers...but seriously lack discipleship and commitment to Christ.
The second camp are the disciples. I believe MANY of those faithful to church are in this category. I believe they have come to the place of commitment to Christ and have/doing their best to walk with God and live according to the Holy standards which are required as our "base" obligation to the Lord. I believe they are not perfect. They struggle everyday as do the "believer" camp. I do believe however, they have chosen to "take up his cross daily" and "follow me" I believe this is the most common form of Christianity that is displayed by MANY....including Pastors.
The last camp is a reserved group. I believe there are FEW that have walked the earth in these last days. these people are so in tune with Christ that the world hates them. I believe their testimony and lifestyle are such that it brings unholy anger upon the world and they in turn persecute/martyr them. Every time the word Christian is used, it carries with it a sense of "suffering."
I believe Paul was trying his best to convince Agrippa to become a "Christian" as Paul was.
If I can be so blunt as to say that Acts 1:8 is often misrepresented when it says "and ye shall be WITNESSES"....the word witness comes from the same greek word (according to Strongs) as MARTYR. Everyone wants to claim themselves a witness for Christ but yet few actually take up their cross of sacrifice much less their cross of death.
While I won't make it an official Doctrine....or something I would present as a separating issue of contention.....I do believe this is accurate according to my present understanding of scripture.
any comments?
Many believers are those who are just that. Believers. They struggle daily with assurance of their salvation. They don't study the Word. They don't pray. They aren't separated from the world. They show up on Sunday. They might show up 3 times a week. They are Believers...but seriously lack discipleship and commitment to Christ.
The second camp are the disciples. I believe MANY of those faithful to church are in this category. I believe they have come to the place of commitment to Christ and have/doing their best to walk with God and live according to the Holy standards which are required as our "base" obligation to the Lord. I believe they are not perfect. They struggle everyday as do the "believer" camp. I do believe however, they have chosen to "take up his cross daily" and "follow me" I believe this is the most common form of Christianity that is displayed by MANY....including Pastors.
The last camp is a reserved group. I believe there are FEW that have walked the earth in these last days. these people are so in tune with Christ that the world hates them. I believe their testimony and lifestyle are such that it brings unholy anger upon the world and they in turn persecute/martyr them. Every time the word Christian is used, it carries with it a sense of "suffering."
I believe Paul was trying his best to convince Agrippa to become a "Christian" as Paul was.
If I can be so blunt as to say that Acts 1:8 is often misrepresented when it says "and ye shall be WITNESSES"....the word witness comes from the same greek word (according to Strongs) as MARTYR. Everyone wants to claim themselves a witness for Christ but yet few actually take up their cross of sacrifice much less their cross of death.
While I won't make it an official Doctrine....or something I would present as a separating issue of contention.....I do believe this is accurate according to my present understanding of scripture.
any comments?
Thursday, February 24, 2011
Stephen The Man Acts 6-7
Acts 6-7: Stephen
By way of introduction:
1. The character of the witness is ALWAYS held in question
2. The testimony of the witness is compared against their character.
3. The worth of the message is measured by the character of the messenger.
(I Tim 4, Titus 2)
I. Stephen’s Character (Acts 6)
A. Full of Faith
1. Godly Discipline
2. Example to the Believers/Of the Believers
3. Walk with God
B. Full of Wisdom
1. Intelligence
2. Biblical understanding put to practice
C. Honest Report
1. From those without
2. From those within
II. Stephen’s Conduct (Chapter 6)
A. Assisted in overseeing the care for the widows (Daily Ministration)
B. Teaching
C. Evangelism
D. Respect for Civil government
E. Reverence for the office which he held
III. Stephen’s Consecration (Acts 6-7)
A. Verbally Attacked ( I Peter 2:22-25)
B. Lied about ( Matt 26:59-60)
C. Incriminated unjustly (Matt 27:1-2)
D. Steadfast in his Faith (Isaiah 50:7,Luke 9:51)
E. Looked to God for strength (Matt 27:46)
1. Christ didn't look to God for Strength but rather for our example
2. Stephen looked to God not because he was in trouble but because it was his "habit"
F. Executed (Matt 27:50)
G. Forgiveness was his dying thought Luke 23:34
By way of introduction:
1. The character of the witness is ALWAYS held in question
2. The testimony of the witness is compared against their character.
3. The worth of the message is measured by the character of the messenger.
(I Tim 4, Titus 2)
I. Stephen’s Character (Acts 6)
A. Full of Faith
1. Godly Discipline
2. Example to the Believers/Of the Believers
3. Walk with God
B. Full of Wisdom
1. Intelligence
2. Biblical understanding put to practice
C. Honest Report
1. From those without
2. From those within
II. Stephen’s Conduct (Chapter 6)
A. Assisted in overseeing the care for the widows (Daily Ministration)
B. Teaching
C. Evangelism
D. Respect for Civil government
E. Reverence for the office which he held
III. Stephen’s Consecration (Acts 6-7)
A. Verbally Attacked ( I Peter 2:22-25)
B. Lied about ( Matt 26:59-60)
C. Incriminated unjustly (Matt 27:1-2)
D. Steadfast in his Faith (Isaiah 50:7,Luke 9:51)
E. Looked to God for strength (Matt 27:46)
1. Christ didn't look to God for Strength but rather for our example
2. Stephen looked to God not because he was in trouble but because it was his "habit"
F. Executed (Matt 27:50)
G. Forgiveness was his dying thought Luke 23:34
Wednesday, February 23, 2011
FORTRESS
Here is a sermon I preached recently. I trust it will be a blessing.
http://victorybiblebaptistchurch.com/sermons/2011/february/fortress.wma
http://victorybiblebaptistchurch.com/sermons/2011/february/fortress.wma
Friday, February 18, 2011
Autonomy of Local Churches and Accountability
One of the guidelines for how a NT Church is cooperation with other churches. Church letters, Baptismal records, prayer, encouragement, fellowship, financial support if possible, assistance in disciplinary measures. All of these things can be found in the New Testament. They do not override each church's autonomy. They do uphold scripture. A pastor who leaves one church having disqualified himself, and goes to another church, and is given an office of which they are disqualified have violated scripture.
there are some possibilities.
A. The disqualified, dishonorable man was not honest (most likely)
B. The disqualified dishonorable man manipulated his way in/or started a church (this is always a favorite among the wolves)
C. The church refused to stand for scripture in hopes to "reform" the "fallen"
D. The Church just did not know what they were doing...they were novices
E. The church believes "what happens in vegas stays in vegas"
F. The disqualified became qualified. (heresy straightened up, divorced spouse passes on - only if the spouse was the one to cause the divorce IMHO/V.V.ology103, correction of moral failure OVER TIME (some time and much deliberation)
Each church remains autonomous- SELF GOVERNING.
There is no governing Body other than the Eternal Godhead. There is no enforcer or executor outside of that local body of believers. Nothing I said has changed.
Interestingly enough, there seems to be a lack of ethics in Fundamentalism especially among certain brethren of the Baptist sect. However, there are STILL many of us who are IFB (even IFB9Xers) who diligently keep themselves from fornication and submit themselves to the Holy Spirit, to their churches, to their wife(ves), families, even to each other for accountability and for "veto".
I have talked with SEVERAL IFB preachers from various colleges, various camps. Each have verified that in the ordination "grilling" the question was made whether or not it was biblical to "resend" ones ordination of that person became unqualified. Each time, the person being ordained would not only testify that it was Biblical, but that they also would hold each person ordaining him accountable for keeping the faith in pure conscience.
Having a VOLUNTARY accountability to co-laborers (as I have said before) does not eliminate the autonomy of any said Bible Believing Church. It is just not something that you hear about among the graduates, staff, or heritage of "prominent" IFB places of learning.
there are some possibilities.
A. The disqualified, dishonorable man was not honest (most likely)
B. The disqualified dishonorable man manipulated his way in/or started a church (this is always a favorite among the wolves)
C. The church refused to stand for scripture in hopes to "reform" the "fallen"
D. The Church just did not know what they were doing...they were novices
E. The church believes "what happens in vegas stays in vegas"
F. The disqualified became qualified. (heresy straightened up, divorced spouse passes on - only if the spouse was the one to cause the divorce IMHO/V.V.ology103, correction of moral failure OVER TIME (some time and much deliberation)
Each church remains autonomous- SELF GOVERNING.
There is no governing Body other than the Eternal Godhead. There is no enforcer or executor outside of that local body of believers. Nothing I said has changed.
Interestingly enough, there seems to be a lack of ethics in Fundamentalism especially among certain brethren of the Baptist sect. However, there are STILL many of us who are IFB (even IFB9Xers) who diligently keep themselves from fornication and submit themselves to the Holy Spirit, to their churches, to their wife(ves), families, even to each other for accountability and for "veto".
I have talked with SEVERAL IFB preachers from various colleges, various camps. Each have verified that in the ordination "grilling" the question was made whether or not it was biblical to "resend" ones ordination of that person became unqualified. Each time, the person being ordained would not only testify that it was Biblical, but that they also would hold each person ordaining him accountable for keeping the faith in pure conscience.
Having a VOLUNTARY accountability to co-laborers (as I have said before) does not eliminate the autonomy of any said Bible Believing Church. It is just not something that you hear about among the graduates, staff, or heritage of "prominent" IFB places of learning.
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